十月 我和我哥哥离开了俄亥俄 驶往加利福尼亚 In October, my brother and I left Ohio. We were driving to California.
星期四的晚上 我们到了达拉斯 We got into Dallas on a Thursday night.
星期五早上 就在我喝着咖啡 吃着鸡蛋的时候 Friday morning, while I'm eating eggs and drinking coffee,
找到了一份工作 I get a good job.
这儿的所有人都好像失业了 I mean, it's, you know... all these people are supposedly out of work.
而我 刚进这个城市一天 就找了份工作 I'm not in town a half a day, and I've got a job.
日子过得井井有条 好像我命宿此地 Everything clicked. It's as if I was meant to be here.
我好几次从家里逃出来 一次还是两次 我不记得了 I'd run away from home a couple of times. Once or twice. I don't know.
那时候 大卫也正从家里跑出来 And this all started, David is running away from home.
他拿着...我带着父亲的一把手枪和猎枪 And he takes... I took a pistol of my dad's and a shotgun.
偷走了邻居的车子 Took a neighbor's car.
我曾经潜入他家拿走了车钥匙 I had broken into their house and got the keys to it.
我糊里糊涂地 I forget exactly what it was.
来到了达拉斯 Ended up coming to Dallas.
我去工作的时候 还没有别人来 I went to work and no one showed up.
到了周末 他们有时做一会 有时就不做 Being a weekend, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't.
回家的路上 我的车没油了 On the way home, I ran out of gas.
当我带着油罐 沿着马路走的时候 And as I was walking down the street with the gas can...
就在那时 一个人 把停车了下来 a person, at that time, pulled over.
我想他是看到我提了油罐 I guess since I had the gas can...
认为我没油了 我离他的车子不足100码 he figured I was out of gas. I wasn't 100 yards from the car.
糟糕的是 正值感恩节周末 加油站都关了 And being Thanksgiving weekend, there was no gas stations open.
他停下来 问我要不要帮忙 He stopped and asked me if I needed any help.
我正开着车子驶在往达拉斯的路上 I'm driving down some street somewhere in Dallas.
那时我刚16岁 I had just turned 16.
那儿有个人 我想他是没汽油了 And there was a guy over there, I think he'd run out of gas...
我带着他去找些油 他就是兰德尔 亚当斯 I took him to get some gas. This was Randall Adams.
然后就跟着他到了他和他哥的住处 Ended up following him where him and his brother were staying.
就在那个晚上 Eventually, that evening...
我们出去喝了点啤酒 we went out and got some beer.
抽了点大麻 很尽兴 We smoked a little marijuana and what have you.
接着又去看了场电影 Went to a movie that night.
星期六 我起来就去工作了 I get up, I go to work on Saturday.
我怎么会碰到这个孩子的 我也不知道 Why did I meet this kid? I don't know.
我怎么就在那个时候没油了 Why did I run out of gas at that time?
我也不知道 但这恰恰发生了 I don't know. But it happened.
12月21号 他们来接我 The day they picked me up, December 21.
他们带我上楼 至于哪一层 我不知道 They took me upstairs. What floor, I don't know.
他们带我进入一个小房间 But they put me in a little room.
盖斯 罗斯走了进来 Gus Rose walked in.
他有一份招供书 让我签 He had a confession there he wanted me to sign.
他说我得签 He said that I would sign.
他才不管我说什么 让我在纸上签字 He didn't give a damn what I said. I would sign this piece of paper.
我告诉他 我不签 I told him I couldn't.
我不知道你们这些人指望我什么 "I don't know what the hell you people expect of me.
但是我无论如何也不能签 "But there's no way I can sign that."
他走出去 不到10分钟 又回来 He left. He came back in 10 minutes.
扔了一把手枪在桌上 And threw a pistol on the table.
让我瞧瞧 我看了一眼 Asked me to look at it. Which I did. I looked.
他让我拿起手枪 He asked me to pick it up.
我拒绝了 我怎么可以这么做 I told him no, I wouldn't do that.
他威逼我 He threatened me.
我只能再次拒绝 Again, I told him no.
他扣着左轮手枪的扳机对着我 He pulled his service revolver on me.
我们目视对方 而我觉得似乎过了几个小时 We looked at each other for... To me, it seemed hours.
我不喜欢对着枪孔 I do not like looking down the barrel of a pistol.
我更不喜欢被威胁 I do not like being threatened.
最后 他要么杀了我 When he finally saw that he would either have to kill me...
要么放弃签名 or forget the signature...
我想他还是选择放弃了 因为他收起手枪 I guess he forgot the signature, because he put his pistol up.
他收起桌上的枪 然后摔门而出 He took the pistol on the table, put it up and stormed out.
我和他轻松友好的交谈 I had a casual, friendly conversation with him to start with...
并打量了他一番 to try to size him up...
也了解了他的一些喜好 to see what he liked and what he didn't like.
我突然发现他没什么道德 I found almost immediately that he didn't have much conscience.
他做完坏事 不会觉得心烦 Anything he had done, it never really bothered him.
他告诉我 He had done other things that he told me about...
他从来就没有愧疚之感 that didn't seem to bother him in the least.
他面无表情 He showed no expression whatsoever.
坐再那 一会谈到墙的颜色 It's just like he's sitting here talking about the color of this wall...
一会又提及他枪杀警官 or the shooting of the police officer.
对我所有问题他都漠然置之 He showed no reaction to any of the questions.
他甚至强调他的清白 He almost overacted his innocence.
坚称自己没做错什么 He protested he hadn't done anything.
我们怎么会把他带来 不可理喻 Couldn't imagine why we were bringing him in.
他不反抗 He didn't fight or he didn't resist.
他只是坚信他的无辜 He just protested his innocence.
我告诉他们 星期六我和这个孩子的事 I told them what happened that Saturday, that I had met this kid.
而且不断重述此事 I kept telling them the same thing.
他们不信任我 They didn't want to believe me.
我想打个电话从来没被批准过 Never once was I allowed a phone call.
那也没有律师 从来没有 Never once was an attorney there.
我不知道过了多久 I don't know how long this had been.
两包烟抽完已经好久了 I had smoked two packs of cigarettes and had been out for a long time.
伍德的罚款单从不离车 Wood didn't take his ticket book out of the car.
他一直把它放在前座上 He left it in the car on the front seat...
显然 他不会去签一张罚款单的 which indicates that he was not going to write a ticket.
他可能做的就是让他们打开汽车前灯 What he was probably going to do was have them turn on the headlights.
他不知道那部车子是偷来的 He didn't know that the car was stolen.
我想 他很有可能 I think that there's a very good chance...
检查驾照 that he was going to check the driver's license...
并告诉他把前灯打开 然后就放他们走 and tell him to turn on his headlights, and let the guy be on his way.
伍德警官的妻子给他买了件防弹衣 Officer Wood's wife had purchased him...
还挂在圣诞树下 a bulletproof vest and had it under the Christmas tree.
也可能先收起来了 到圣诞节再给他 Or had it stored away, to give to him at Christmastime.
他的搭档是第一个 His partner was one of the first female police officers...
被委任巡逻任务的女警官 that was assigned to patrol.
他们从西北局过来 按时接班 They were from the Northwest Station. Just patrol officers following the clock.
值夜班 Working the graveyard shift and everything.
他们进了一个快餐店 买了杯麦芽汁 They had been into a fast-food restaurant. And she had a malt.
车子开了过来 里面有两个人 没有开车灯 This car came by, these two dudes in it, with no lights on.
这个问题到不严重 It wasn't a serious problem...
但他停下了车子 打开灯示意他停车 but he just pulled up, turned his lights on to stop him.
只是为了警告他没开灯 Just to warn the man that his lights were off.
他走出车门 迎了上去 Got out of the car and walked up.
就在他向到车窗的时候 司机... Before he got to the window, where the driver was...
当他到了车窗 he was in the right position.
那人转过身来 This man just turned around and just...
拿着一支小口径手枪 with a little small-caliber pistol.
第一枪打在了他手臂上 The first shot hit him in the arm.
他拿着手电筒 子弹击中了手电筒进入了他的手臂 He had his flashlight. It hit the flashlight and went into his arm.
第二枪击中了他胸腔右部 The next one hit him right in the chest.
警官倒在第一交通道上 The officer falls in the street and he was in the first traffic lane.
他躺在那 流血至死 He lay there and bled to death.
她走出车门 So she's out of the car.
她仍开手枪 She empties her pistol at the fleeing suspect...
跑过去救他 and she runs to his aid.
一般程序是抓起电话报警 Procedure says you grab the radio and call for an ambulance.
常识是这样的 可如果你遇上这种事 会怎么做 Common sense would tell you that. But what do you do?
那个时候 她只是不知所措 And that time, she's so... just tore down.
血 到处是血 And the blood. An enormous amount of blood.
我们又怎么能再追究她的失职呢 How do we hold her responsible for not following procedure?
可最重要的是 她忘了汽车牌照号码了 But the main thing was, she couldn't remember the license number.
我们勘查现场 开始收集证据 When we started putting facts together on how much information we had...
可我们却一无所获 from the leads we had, we found out we didn't have anything.
我们只知道那是辆蓝色的Vega车 The only thing that we knew we were looking for was a blue Vega.
德州每一辆已经注册的Vega车 Probably every Vega that was registered in the state of Texas...
都被拦住 检查 was stopped and checked.
有人报警说 We had people calling the office...
我找到一辆Vega 但不是蓝色的 saying, "I've got a Vega and it's not blue.
可你能出来确认一下吗 "But would you come out and be sure to check it.
这显然不是我的 因为我不想再被停车检查了 "Be sure it's not mine, because I don't want to get stopped anymore.
我害怕 "I'm afraid."
如果你是授命追查这个谋杀事件的调查员 If you're the investigator assigned to the murder...
你会因为没有别的目击者感到沮丧 you get frustrated with other witnesses.
但是当你只有一个警察目击此案时 But when you got a police officer that witnessed it...
你希望他们知道的比她多 you expect that they would know a little more than she knew.
根据程序 Procedure.
如果两人一组执勤 当一个人靠近车辆时 When there's a two-person unit, when either one approaches the car...
另一人就得在右轮侧守候 the other positions himself to the right rear...
那里能看清车里的一举一动 where they can watch all the activity in the car.
如果左侧的人遇到了麻烦 And if the man on the left of the driver gets in trouble...
他们的搭档就能出手相救 their partner is in a position to help.
据调查 那个时候 Speculation was, at the time...
他的搭档正等在车里 that his partner was sitting in the car.
这就是差别所在 That's where the discrepancies were.
因为时间问题 她没有走出汽车 Just a matter of time, and whether or not she was out of the car...
完全出了车子 还是只探出了身子 completely out of the car, or partially in the car...
还是只是坐在那 连门都没出 or just sitting in there with the door closed.
我觉得对案件有帮助的事 And the thing I think we did then that really helped...
事实上都没起作用 It didn't really help anything at all. Let me back up.
可这很有意思 而且花了好多钱 But it was interesting, and it cost a lot of money...
而且也是值得的 你不得不抓住每一个线索 but it was worthwhile. You got to cover every trail.
那个离开了加州的人 A guy out of California...
我忘了他的名字 他是催眠专家 I don't recall his name, he was an expert in hypnosis.
他过来给她做了催眠 并问了些问题 He came down, hypnotized her and questioned her.
有趣的是 What was interesting was...
除了那辆车 她什么都不记得了 she couldn't remember anything particularly about the car.
她记得买了杯麦芽汁 She remembered getting a malt.
他们停在了Whataburger快餐店门口 They'd stopped in the fast-food. It was a Whataburger.
他们什么都记得 包括停车 They remembered all that, and stopping the car.
回到案发地 她还是记不起什么 Got back on the road. She didn't remember anything.
但是她记起那辆车的车牌号了 But she remembered a license number off a hit-and-run vehicle...
晚上他们工作开始比平时要早 that they had worked earlier in the night.
因为圣诞快到了 It was getting awfully close to Christmas.
不破这个杀警案 在达拉斯我们度日如年 We'd never gone that long in Dallas without clearing a murder of an officer.
还有别的杀人案 但都很快告破 We'd had several killed, but we'd cleared them pretty quick.
这个案件大概过了将近一个月 And this case had gone a month, or nearly a month...
我们还是没有头绪 and we still hadn't cleared it.
但最后在德州的维多 我们了了此案 We finally got the break that cleared it. It came out of Vidor, Texas.
卡尔文 坎宁安先生的家被洗劫了 Mr. Calvin Cunningham, who lives in Vidor, had his home broken into...
他的Mercury Comet车也被偷走了 and his little Mercury Comet stolen.
我们觉得好像是大卫做的案 We felt as though David had committed that crime.
他失踪多天了 我们找不到他 For several days, though, he was missing. We couldn't find him.
可就在一个下午 我们的一个警官盯上了坎宁安的车 It was one afternoon, one of our officers spotted Cunningham's car...
在维多的北大街上 on North Main Street, here in Vidor.
大卫弃车而逃 David abandoned the vehicle and ran on foot.
我们开始有些线索 We started getting little bits of information, though...
因为大卫曾涉嫌枪击达拉斯警察的案子 that David had been involved in a shooting in Dallas of a police officer.
我们总能得到一些传闻 We would always get third-hand rumor, fourth-hand rumor.
我们找到他以前的同伙 打电话询问 So we went back to a few of his other comrades in crime, we could call them.
他们说 我们觉得他只是吹吹牛 They said, "We thought he was just bragging.
我们从没把他当回事 "We didn't really take him seriously."
坐下 看看晚间新闻 应该是午夜新闻 Sitting down, watching the evening news, well, the night news.
我爸爸在沙发上睡着了 My father was asleep on the couch.
听到有人敲门 我去开 是大卫 哈里斯 Heard somebody knocking at the door. It was David Harris.
我请他进来 I let him in. He came in.
他站在我椅子的旁边 He was standing there beside my chair...
新闻正播着那件达拉斯警官被枪杀的案件 and a news broadcast advertised about a police officer shot in Dallas.
在那个时候 他死命地发誓 Right then and there he starts swearing up and down.
他说 我向上帝发誓 我打死了那头猪 He says, "I swear to God, I shot that fucking pig."
他说 我就是凶手 He says, "I'm the one that killed him."
在达拉斯附近的某个地方 他们停了车子 Somewhere around Dallas, they got pulled over.
我想他说过 因为警察正在搜捕一辆被盗车辆 I think he said because they were checking out a stolen car.
他说警察曾让他把车靠边停下 He said that the cop had pulled him over...
然后走近车窗 and walked up to the window.
当警察过来的时候 他拉下车窗 When the cop came, he rolled down the window...
扣下扳机向他射击 and just pulled the gun up and shot him.
他不停地发誓 He swore up and down.
显得很夸张 上蹦下跳 He made a big scene about it. Jumped up and down...
他想让所有人都听见 trying to get anybody and everybody...
是我杀了他 to listen to him. "Yeah, I shot that son of a gun."
每个人都说 是你做的 大卫 当然 And everybody said, "Sure you did, David. Sure."
我向上帝发誓 我杀了那警察 "I swear to God I killed that cop."
我问他是不是去过达拉斯 他否认 I asked him if he'd been to Dallas. He denied having been to Dallas.
我问他是否参与什么枪击事件 I asked him if he'd been involved in any shooting...
或者有什么这方面的消息 他只说不知道 or knew anything about a shooting, and he denied that to the end.
就算他真的参与了 说的也和大卫相当一致 Which is fairly consistent with David. Even if he had some involvement...
他对付你的第一选择就是死不承认 his first way that he always treats you, he would deny.
如果他觉得你确信是他做的 Then, if he felt as though you really knew he had done it...
他会全部招供 then he would be truthful with you.
他给我一把手枪 口径22毫米 He give me a pistol, a .22 caliber pistol.
他给我看 说 我就是用这把枪做了他 He showed it to me. He says, "That's the one I shot him with."
他把枪给我 He gave me the pistol.
我也没有想太多 I didn't really consider it that much.
我不太相信是他杀了警察 I don't guess I really realized he did shoot the cop.
他带我到一片沼泽地 He led me to a swampy area...
离他在罗斯城的住所大概几百码 several hundred yards behind his residence in Rose City.
在水下找到一只袜子 就是他了 他说 There was a sock under water. He said, "There it is."
袜子上 涂满了鞋油 And he had sprayed this sock with boot oil.
当我们取回枪的时候 When we retrieved the gun...
我说 我最好处理一下 要不就生锈了 I said, "I better do something with it. It's going to rust up."
即使我在达拉斯庭审看到这把枪时 Even the time that I saw the gun at the trial in Dallas...
它仍和当初从沼泽拿出来时一样好 it looked just as good as when I'd taken it out of the swamp.
他把枪藏得很好 So he had taken pretty good care of it,
就像没掉到水里一样 even though he did put it under water.
他会思考 He got to thinking...
我并没有做这件事 虽然一直说是我做的 "I didn't do that and I've been saying that I did...
我知道些事 我想最好告诉他们 "and I'm in over my head now, I better tell them what happened.
因为他们会把我送进监狱的 "Because they are going to send me to the penitentiary for life...
如果我不告诉他们 "if I don't tell them what really happened."
他说 我就是要吹牛 So he said, "I am just bragging about this.
我没有做 但案发时我就在那 我知道谁做的 "I didn't do it, but I was there, and I know who did do it."
然后呢 当然 他无罪释放 And, of course, he came clean then.
他尽力不隐瞒事实 He tried to hide no facts.
就像一个乖孩子 He just seemed like a friendly kid.
我可以和他心平气和地说上15到20分钟 I may have talked to him 15 or 20 minutes on a friendly basis...
就是为了让他保持这种友好地态度 just to keep him friendly.
我们可不想让他发疯 We didn't want to make him mad.
但我们不想听他扯淡 But we didn't want him to tell us something that he thought.
我们想知道他所知道的 We wanted him to tell us what we knew.
不久 我们的努力有了结果 It wasn't very long until I realized that what he knew...
案件的证据和他所说的相当吻合 was the facts of the case, and it matched with what we knew.
这肯定是真的 And it had to be right.
我讲述的整个故事是这样的 The story that I told was...
好像是第二天的上午12:00 It was like 12:00 something. So it was the next day...
我们被迫停车 early in the morning. We were stopped.
我们停下来的时候 那个警官走过来 When we were stopped, the officer came up to the car...
要求出示驾驶证 他就开枪了 and asked to see the driver's license, and he just started shooting.
我不知道为什么 似乎时间是停滞的 I don't know why, but it's always seemed like time just stopped.
好像时间没走 It didn't seem like any time passed.
就是那样 砰 It just seemed like it was, boom!
时间停了 要么就是我也不知道是什么 Time stopped or something. I don't know what it is.
好像是手电筒 It's like a flash.
我们回到他的家 We went back to his room.
他得问他的哥我能不能借宿一晚 He was supposed to ask his brother if I could stay there that night.
可他说不喜欢外人借宿 But he said that his brother don't like to do that.
不管怎样 他就进去了 没再出来 我也就走了 Anyhow, he went in and never came back out. So I left.
把车子停在停车场 Ended up pulling into a parking lot.
我在车里睡着了 I slept there I think, for a while.
第二天早上... Then, finally, the next morning, early or something...
我找到了去第45快车道的路 I found my way to Freeway 45.
就回家了 And went back home.
和他混了一段 我发现他有个军火库 After riding around with him, I come to find out he's got an arsenal.
他有手枪 来福枪 He's got pistols. He's got rifles.
他拿着枪 挥舞着 He's got this pistol. He's waving it around. He's doing this.
我告诉他 你怎么不把枪械放到车厢里 I told him, "Hey, why don't you put those in the trunk of the car?"
我们停在一个饭店门口 We stopped at a restaurant...
买了三明治在车里吃 and ordered and ate sandwiches in the car.
我买了6罐啤酒 I bought a six-pack of beer.
他把手枪拿了出来 He pulled this pistol back out.
我问他拿枪出来干吗 And I ask him why he got the pistol out.
他笑笑 And he kind of laughed...
摇下了车窗 朝车外开枪 rolled the window down, and fired the pistol outside the car.
我让他收起来 And I asked him to please put it up.
他递给我 我把它放在座位底下 And I think he handed me the pistol, and I put it under the driver's seat.
他想去看电影 我们就转身到了电影院 He wanted to go to the movies, so we went to the movies.
到那的时候 大概七点 We got there probably at about 7:00.
他挑的片子 He was the one that had picked the movie out.
我管这个叫免下车电影 啤酒电影 I call them drive-in movies, beer-drinking movies.
50美分一位 但积少成多 $0.50, put them together and make a bunch of money...
很多人在那喝醉了 with a bunch of people getting drunk at the drive-in.
-你要承认吗 -请坐吧 -Are you going to concede? -Please, sit down...
这是什么 布鲁克斯先生 What is this, Mr. Brooks?
-是烟灰缸啊 谁都知道 -错 -Anybody can see it's an ashtray. -Wrong!
每个人都知道 这只是块石头 Anybody can plainly see it's a wall-breaker!
我正想替你说出来呢 I'm trying to speak for you!
我想替所有人说出来 我是学生 I'm trying to speak for all of you! I am the student body!
电影看了一半多了 The show that was on was half over. We watched half of the one show...
我们开始看第二部的前段 we started watching the first part of the second show.
我们渴望胜利 胜利就在眼前 We want a victory, and we're gonna get it.
我真的不想再看第二部电影了 I didn't really care for the second feature...
这个是R级片 which is an R-rated, cheerleader-type thing.
我不清楚是什么 I don't know what it was.
有酒吗 May I have some wine?
这很好罗斯 我不知道你会烧菜啊 It's good, Ross. I didn't know you could cook.
可不是吗 It is good, isn't it?
想试试我烧得芹菜蛋黄酱 You got to try my celery remoulade.
不 No.
我告诉他我想走了 I told him I wanted to leave.
我也不喜欢坐在这儿看 走吧 "I don't really care to sit here and watch this. Let's go."
他的举动很奇怪 他想看完的 但我们还是走了 He's acting strange, he wanted to watch the end. Anyway, we left.
在开回达拉斯的路上 我们到了一个汽车旅馆 We drove back towards Dallas and we drove to the motel.
那是个小店 我买了一包烟 There's a little store. I bought a pack of cigarettes...
还有一份报纸 and a newspaper.
然后我就走了 那孩子还坐在那 And when I left, this kid was still sitting there.
我靠过去 和他谈了几分钟 I leaned against the car and we talked to him for a few minutes...
我告诉他既然他在找工作 and I told him that since he was looking for a job...
而那儿又没人干活 and there hadn't been anybody at work...
问他是否愿意明早过来一趟 that if he wanted to stop back Monday morning...
那样 他就可以跟我工作了 that sure, he could ride out and follow me to work...
只要和老板谈谈 可能会得到一份工作 and he could talk to the boss. And he would probably get a job.
我告诉他星期一早晨我会去找他 如果他来的话 I told him that I would catch him Monday morning if he showed up.
我告诉他上班的时间 然后就走了 I told him what time I went to work. Why, I left.
我在商店逛了逛就回家了 I walked around the store and went to the house.
进屋的时候 电视还开着 哥已经睡着了 When I walked in, the television was on and my brother was sleeping.
我不在的时候他一直待在家 He had been home this whole time that I had been gone.
我做了一个三明治 So I made me a sandwich...
我做在那把Carol Burnett节目看完 and sat there and watched the end of The Carol Burnett Show.
结束的时候 新闻时间到了 我看了一刻钟 When it went off, the news came on and I watched 15 minutes of it.
关了电视我就去睡了 And that was it. I turned the TV off and went to sleep.
最后 速记员进来了 Finally, they bring in a stenographer.
她坐下来听我讲 She sits down and I run the story.
我告诉他们周六的事 I tell them what happened this Saturday.
她走了 把记录打了出来 She leaves. She types.
25到30分钟之后 她又回来了 She comes back in about 25 to 30 minutes...
带着记录的拷贝 with a copy of this statement.
我浏览了一遍 I read through it...
总体上我还是很满意的 and when it was basically what I liked...
就签上我的大名 yes, I signed it.
他承认曾开着车子在Inwood路朝右拐 He admits driving the car and taking a right on Inwood Road...
离开了35号州际公路 off of Interstate 35...
或者是183高速路 or Highway 183.
他承认开过 He admits driving it.
在Inwood路右拐之后 After he made his right turn on Inwood Road...
陈述记录就到此结束 this is where our statement ends.
他说 之后的事他就记不起来了 He says he does not remember anything after that.
关于枪杀 他忘的一干二净 He didn't remember anything about a shooting.
他也记不得有警察拦他这回事 He didn't remember anything about a police officer stopping him.
那部分在那大脑里是空白的 That part of his mind just conveniently went blank.
他只记得开过车 He remembered driving the car...
他开始往枪杀那一幕想 and he remembered approaching the scene of the shooting...
就从那起 他都忘了 and then, from that point, he blacks out...
进了汽车旅馆之前的事什么也记不起来 and can't remember until he gets to the motel room...
大概10分钟之后 他的记忆又恢复了 which is some 10 minutes later. Everything else he remembers vividly.
这就是瞬时记忆消失 And that's just a convenient memory lapse, is all that is.
达拉斯晨 The Morning News in Dallas County...
说我签了一份招供书 stated that I had signed a confession...
我为杀了罗伯特 伍德忏悔 that I had confessed to the killing of Robert Wood...
他们找到了凶手 准备行动了 and they had their killer and they were ready to go with it.
关于我签的记录文件 The statement that I signed for Dallas County...
从来都不是 was never...
报纸上说的招供书 and never would have been anything as "a confession."
可是他们正是这么标注的 But yet, they labeled it as such.
当然 我无法争辩 因为我根本不知道 Of course, I couldn't dispute this because I didn't even know about it.
两周之内 我什么消息也没有听到 I heard no news. I knew nothing for two weeks.
他们让我不接触任何人 They kept me completely away from everybody.
我们和她谈了好几次 希望她能想起些什么 Several times we talked to her, trying to get her to recall.
你有没有想起汽车牌照号码 "Do you recall the license number?
有没有想起对我们有用的信息 Do you recall anything to help us?"
她很好地描述了一下车子 And she gave us a pretty good description of the car.
她的描述和事实很接近 As it turned out, her description of the car was real close.
结果我们找的不是蓝色Vega车 It comes out that we weren't looking for a blue Vega.
我们要找的是Comet车 We were looking for a Comet.
不用说 我们的人力都浪费在 No telling the man-hours we literally wasted...
寻找蓝色Vega车上了 looking for a blue Vega.
Vega和Comet车还是有区别的 There is a difference between a Vega and a Mercury Comet.
这样 关于车子的信息 So in reality, in regard to cars...
都搜集全了 every piece of information that was called in...
都参照Comet的样子 我的意思是 Vega they were calling in regard to a Comet, I mean, a Vega.
打电话进来的都很诚信 尽力帮忙 The people that called in were truthful, trying to help.
他们相当配合 They really were trying to help.
我们以前有的信息都是错的 We just all had the wrong information.
大卫 哈里斯偷的车子上并没有记号 There wasn't a mark on this car David Harris had stolen.
没有记号 Wasn't a mark.
你觉得一辆车静静地停着 Do you think a car sitting still...
开始启动 开向一座小山 starting from a stop, heading up a hill...
一个女人站在车后 with a woman standing right behind it...
射击位置相当好 that is a very good shot with a pistol...
她本该一枪就能解决的 可她没有 She should have hit the damn thing one time. She didn't.
我希望上帝借力给她 让她一枪崩了那个司机 I wish to God she had blown whoever was driving the car's head off...
我没去过那 because I wouldn't have been here.
我和坎宁安先生回去过好几次 I went back several times...
我俩仔细搜索 and with Mr. Cunningham, he and I both searched...
还是没有找到汽车被枪击中的线索 and could find no indications that that car had been hit by gunfire.
不久 他找到了一个地方 Later on, he finally found one place...
感觉像子弹留下的裂缝 that he felt as though that a bullet had been creased on it.
可就在他告诉我之前 他女儿把车开走了 But before he could tell me about it, his daughter totaled the car out.
彻底毁了它 Totally demolished it.
我干些入室盗窃 抢劫 I was doing burglaries and some robberies...
还有一些类似这样的劫财之事 and a few possession cases and stuff like that.
他过来对我说 I think he just came up to me and said:
你是伊迪丝 詹姆斯吧 我想谈谈关于我的案子 "Are you Edith James? I'd like to talk about my case."
不管怎样 我就这样记住了 That's the way I remember it, anyhow.
我说 当然可以 我接着说 哪种类型的案子 And I said, "Sure." And I said, "What sort of a case is it?"
他说 是一个谋杀 会判死刑 He said, "It's a capital murder." And I said...
我想 Inside, I kind of thought:
我虽没处理过种案子 但我可以和他谈 "I've never done one, but I can surely talk to him about it."
我不喜欢被别人看成是那种 I hate to be considered...
相信他们的客户是无辜的人 some kind of dummy that believes in the innocence of her clients.
很多人觉得 一个女律师 A lot of people think, "A woman lawyer...
会轻易相信别人 "she's bound to stupidly believe anything she's told."
我承认 我就是这种容易上当的人 I admit, I'm sort of a gullible person.
但从另一方面来说 我见过很多人 But on the other hand, I've seen an awful lot of people...
他们或是承认有罪 或是被认定有罪 who admitted guilt or were found guilty...
而兰德尔就要定罪了 我觉得 and all but Randall turned out to be guilty, in my opinion.
道格拉斯 穆德的证据很充足 Douglas Mulder had a perfect win record.
他从法院卸任后后就没有失败过 I believe he resigned from the D.A. 's office without any defeats.
他就是个传奇 That's why he's legendary.
关于穆德 Everything, as I recall, that Mulder ever said...
都是在赞扬他的伟大 was about what a great guy Mulder was...
他能赢得所有案子是多么令人惊叹 and how marvelous it was that he was getting all these convictions.
当我正想要别人接手此案的时候 丹尼斯表示很有兴趣 I wanted somebody else in on it, so I got Dennis interested in it...
丹尼斯法庭经验丰富 because Dennis has a lot more trial experience...
他几乎赢了所有有他陪审的案子 and Dennis wins practically all of his jury cases.
对于兰德尔 亚当斯的案子 丹尼斯显得很兴奋 And Dennis was very enthusiastic about the Randall Adams case...
他总说 这个案子我们能赢 because he kept saying, "This is one we can win.
他们除了有大卫 哈里斯之外 没有大量的证据 "They don't have substantial evidence. All they've got is David Harris."
为了给这个案子争取时间 我准备行动 I prepared a motion for a continuance to get more time to try the case...
为此 我不得不为下几周作出具体安排 and in doing that had to lay out my schedule for several weeks...
包括我在得克萨斯维多的详细时间 as to exactly what time I'd be in Vidor, Texas.
维多是3k党在德州的总部 Vidor is the headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan for the state of Texas.
黑人是不会在这个城市过夜的 It's a city where black people will not spend the night.
黑人甚至不敢把车开到那加油 Black people won't even stop there to get their car filled with gasoline.
维多人甚至认为 And furthermore, the people of Vidor were under the impression...
被杀的警察是个黑人 that the policeman that was murdered was a black man.
我不得不把车停在路上的汽车旅馆 I had to stop at a motel on the way.
我和我的妻子一间房 那位女律师在另一个房间 My wife and I stayed in one room, the lady lawyer in another room.
我们计划早起去维多开始我们的调查 We arranged to get up very early, go to Vidor and start our investigation.
早上6点 At about 6:00 in the morning...
女律师伊迪丝 詹姆斯就起床了 Edith James, the lady lawyer, got up...
她在找我 and was looking for me.
当她在停车场找到我之后 走进了一个房间 While she went out in the parking lot to find me, she went to one room...
只听有人在停车场喊 and someone in the parking lot said:
如果你要找达拉斯来的律师 "If you're looking for the lawyer from Dallas...
她就在***房间 他给了我她的房间号 "he's in room..." And he gave her the room number.
我突然有所觉察 I immediately began to suspect...
当我走进维多的时候 已经被跟踪了 from the time I was that close to Vidor, I was being followed and observed.
道格 穆德在我之前一周去过那 Doug Mulder had been there the week before I had...
并告知维多的人说我是 and had told the people in Vidor that I was...
受东方教育的民主自由律师 an Eastern-educated civil liberties attorney...
说我是来调查大卫 哈里斯的 and that I was down there to discredit David Harris.
有人就建议我见见一个特殊的警官 And then I had been recommended to see one particular policeman...
他和这个案子的破解有关联 who had been led to the solution of this case.
给我的感觉是 And I had the impression...
他是在维多唯一值得信赖的警察 that he was the one honest policeman I could trust in Vidor.
他告诉我 警察被杀之后 He told me that after the policeman was killed...
大卫 哈里斯曾回过维多 David Harris went back to Vidor.
可在他被捕之前 犯了抢劫罪 But before he was arrested, he committed a robbery down there...
在一个类似711的便利店 有人被杀 and had someone on the floor of a 7-Eleven type of store...
喉部中弹 with a shotgun at her throat.
回到维多 Got back there...
用a 22轻步枪抢了欧班农的711便利店 robbed O'Bannion's 7-Eleven with a.22 rifle.
还犯了一些盗窃案等诸如此类的案子 Committed some other burglaries and what have you.
这段时间我还在缓刑期 少年犯缓刑期 All this time I was on probation. Juvenile probation.
最终我被缠在维多的这件事 Eventually I turned myself in for this stuff in Vidor.
我忏悔了 但我具体怎样我记不起了 I think I made a confession. I can't even remember exactly.
我告诉他我做了 So I'm told I did.
他说他曾抢过商店 我们都笑了 He had told us he had robbed stores, and we laughed.
当然了 我们都知道 "Sure, we know you have."
我给了他我的一顶帽子 I'd given him one of my hats.
是老式的圆沿鸭舌帽 朝向侧面 It's an old Bonnie-and-Clyde-looking hat, it's turned sideways.
我们说 我们给你加点胡子 带着那把枪走进来 We said, "We'll draw you a little mustache, walk in with that gun.
没人会知道你是谁 "Nobody'll know who you are."
在凌晨2点 我睡觉的时候电话响了 About 2:00 that morning, I was asleep and the phone rings.
喂 是我 大卫 I said, "Hello?"
他说 我问道 是大卫 哈里斯 He said, "This is David." "This is David Harris?"
他说 是 是我干的 你能来接我吗 "Yeah," he said, "I did it. Will you come and get me?"
我拒绝了 回答说 我在睡觉 I said, "I'm not coming to get you. I'm asleep."
他没有什么道德 He didn't have a conscience.
如果我做了什么坏事 心里会惴惴不安 If I do something bad, it kind of gets to me.
我会觉得 唉 我不该这么做的 我觉得很难受 I feel, "Shucks, I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad about it."
对他却没什么影响 But it didn't bother him. Didn't bother him at all.
我们讯问了德州维多的法院... We asked the D.A. In Vidor, Texas...
问他们对大卫会怎么处理 他们说 what they were going to do with little David. They said:
我们会送他到德州青年委员会 "We'll send him to the Texas Youth Council."
我们设法进一步询问 And we sort of tried to inquire...
难道他不觉得奇怪吗 didn't he think it was strange that there was a robbery committed...
那个抢劫案用的是同一把手枪 with that same pistol.
是大卫 哈里斯的手枪 And here it was David Harris' pistol...
大卫 哈里斯那辆接兰德尔 亚当斯的汽车 David Harris' automobile that picked up Randall Adams.
他难道不觉得这有点怪吗 Didn't he think it was a little odd...
这些所谓谋杀的证物 that all the utensils for committing this so-called murder...
都是被大卫 哈里斯处理过的 were furnished by David Harris who got off scot-free...
他却成了起诉的目击证人 and was being a witness for the prosecution?
他是这么说的 在德州维多 我们不这么觉得 And all he said was, "We don't feel that way in Vidor, Texas.
我们的人不是那样的 "Our people just are not that...
我们不会毁了一个年轻人的一生 "We're not that keen on ruining a young man's life."
我想提出一个夸张的想法 那就是 I tried to introduce the crime spree theory.
大卫 哈里斯参与了这一连串案子 The theory that David Harris was on this series of crimes...
包括谋杀警察之前和之后的案子 both before and after the killing of the policeman.
他才是那个 That he would be the person who had...
心中满怀怨恨 极具杀人动机的人 the heart filled with malice most apt to commit a murder.
但是法官不会让我一个人引入所有案子的 But the judge would not allow me to introduce any of those crimes.
他们有一个28岁的嫌疑犯 They'd had a 28-year-old man.
除他以外的嫌疑是一个16岁的孩子 The only alternative would be prosecuting a 16-year-old...
根据德州法律他是不会被判死刑的 that could not be given the death penalty under Texas law...
而28岁就可以 where our 28-year-old man could.
凡事都有其主观动机 我是这么认为 That's always been the predominant motive, in my opinion...
他们要判 兰德尔 亚当斯的死刑 for having a death penalty case against Randall Adams.
不是因为他们这么想治他死地 Not that they had him so dead to rights.
而是他的年龄很符合要求 But just that he was a convenient age.
法官应该说过 The judge is supposed to have said...
就是唐 梅特卡夫 That Don Metcalfe is supposed to have said...
对吉纳特 怀特 丹尼斯 怀特的妻子说 to Jeanette White, Dennis White's wife...
管那么多干吗 他不过是个流浪汉 "What do you care? He's only a drifter."
我的家庭 I grew up in a family...
对于尊重法律的家教很严 where I was taught a great respect for law enforcement.
我开始真切的体会到危险 I became acutely aware of the dangers...
警察经受过 执法人员经受过 that police officers go through, law enforcement officials go through...
而人民群众却没那么敏感 that I think much of the public is not really sensitive to.
我父亲是FBI探员 My father was an FBI man.
他那个时候可算得上是FBI最糟糕的时候 Probably at the worst possible time to be in the FBI.
那是在1932年到1935的芝加哥 510 It was from 1932 to 1935 in Chicago.
迪林格被杀的那晚 他正好在一个比沃格拉夫剧院 He was at the Biograph Theater the night that Dillinger was killed.
那晚正值夏季 芝加哥没什么空调 It was a hot summer evening. Little air conditioning in Chicago...
人们都出去散步了 and people were out for a walk.
在迪林格被杀两分钟之后 爸爸就告诉我 My father would tell me that when Dillinger was killed...
仅在两分钟之内 within a matter of two minutes...
路人都用他们的手帕蘸他的血 people were dipping their handkerchiefs in the blood...
留作纪念 to get souvenirs.
他对一个妇人的印象还栩栩如生 And he vividly remembered one lady...
她只带了张报纸 举着它说 who, all she had was a newspaper, held it up and said:
我是堪萨斯唯一一个染着迪林格的血的女人 "I bet I'm the only lady from Kansas City with John Dillinger's blood."
他告诉我说 那个带着血的女人 He told me, the "Woman in Red"...
仿佛穿了一件橙色外套 she had on an orange dress. This is trivia, okay?
在灯光下 红色在我眼里就是橙色的 It looked red under the lights. He said it was really orange.
他因为染了迪林格的血 成为红妇人而闻名 So she got to be known as the "Lady in Red" that fingered Dillinger.
他说 她整个人都是橙色的了 He said, "It was really the Lady in Orange."
作为奖赏 她得到了一件皮衣 As her reward, she got a new fur coat...
还有一张返她回罗马尼亚老家的单程飞机票 and a one-way ticket back to her native Romania.
他的故事晚了两个小时 His whole story from the start was two hours late.
我在上午十点的时候见到了这个孩子 I met this kid at around 10:00 in the morning.
他说我们中午见 He says we met at noon.
我说我们2点或3点在Bronco Bowl见吧 I say we were at the Bronco Bowl at 2:00 or 3:00.
而他说那是在5点或者6点 He says it was 5:00 or 6:00.
他比所有的事实都晚了两小时 Everything that we did coincide with, he was two hours late.
晚了两个小时 Two hours later. Two hours into the night.
他的证词是这样的 His testimony is that...
当我们从Inwood大街的高速路上下来 as we were getting off the freeway on Inwood Avenue...
他想开车 he stated that I'm driving the car...
我们就停在一旁 that we're pulled over.
他害怕了 吓瘫在一旁 He gets scared and he slumps down in the seat of the car.
警官就走了过来 That, as the officer walks up...
他亮了手电 我摇下车窗 and shines his flashlight, and I roll down my window...
我拔出手枪把那警察打死了 I pull the pistol out and blow this man away.
他的证词是这样的 His testimony is...
当我开往汽车旅馆的时候 when I finally do drive to the motel...
我出来 告诉他 别担心 I get out. I tell him, "Don't worry about it.
忘了它就行了 "Forget this ever happened."
这太疯狂了 That's crazy.
警察在12:30被杀害了 The police officer was killed at 12:30...
那是他见了我之后的两小时 which is about two and a half hours after he last saw me.
就在他走进汽车旅馆之前 Just before he went into the motel...
他穿过旅馆的前院 he'd gone across the motel courtyard...
那有个小商店 他买了几包烟 to a little store over there and bought some cigarettes.
我得去问问那个人是否对他有点印象 And I was supposed to go and find out if the man remembered him...
我在差不多到10点得时候去那买烟 coming in there just before 10:00 to buy the cigarettes.
我已经好久没去沃斯堡了 I didn't get over there to Fort Worth for a long time.
我们带了几张他平时的照片 这样就看不出他被捕了 We got some pictures from his family that didn't show him in jail clothes.
我拿照片给收银台的人看 I took the pictures in to show them to the man behind the counter.
他相当合作 想帮我们 He was very cooperative and he wanted to help us.
可他诚恳地说... But he honestly... He said:
这个人我一点印象都没有了 "I don't remember anything about this guy coming in there...
过了两个晚上我就记不起了 "I couldn't tell one night from another.
要是当晚或者前晚还行 Might have been that night or another.
因为他们总是来买烟 "Cause they were always coming for cigarettes."
他哥 His brother...
起初说谋杀发生的时候 at first...
他在家看电视 was saying that at the time of the murder, that he was home...
是摔跤比赛 watching... I believe it was a wrestling match on TV.
他说 我和弟都喜欢摔跤比赛 他和我在一块 And he said, "Me and my brother likes wrestling matches. He was with me.
我的弟兰德尔整晚都和我在一块 "Randall, my brother, was with me all night long.
不可能是他做的 "He couldn't have done it."
他想极力地为他兄弟掩饰 He was trying to cover for his brother.
过了会 他就改变了想法 Later, as I recall, he changed...
他说 because he said:
如果我做伪证 "If I get down there and perjure myself...
也无能为力了 他们已经掌握了案子 "there's nothing that they can do because they've got the case."
我想他就是这么想的 This is the way I think that he thought.
他们知道是我弟做的 "They know that my brother did it.
如果我在那撒谎 "If I get up there and lie, they are going to have me for perjury.
我就得和他一块坐牢 这没什么好处 "I'll be in the penitentiary with him, and it ain't going to do any good...
我不会去作证的 我什么都不会说 "so I just ain't going to testify. I ain't gonna say nothing."
这样他就收回了他的故事 So he backed off of his story completely...
亚当斯就没有证人了 and Adams was left without any witnesses.
她在法庭的证词和她原先的文件 Her in-court testimony and her original statement...
都应该是最好的 which should be the best.
谋杀之后的15至20分钟 你们在谈话 You're talking 15 to 20 minutes after the killing.
这是她拿到的最有利的证人了 Should be the best eyewitness testimony she's got.
这并不吻合 一点也不 It doesn't match. Doesn't match at all.
在法庭上 她说: In court, she testified...
他从车里走出来 她也从车里出来 he got out of the car, she got out of the car.
她用汽车做掩护 站好位 She positioned herself at the back of the automobile.
她原先的陈述说 在枪杀15分钟后... Her original statement, 15 minutes after the killing...
凶手的皮毛衣领 "a fur-lined collar on the killer."
法庭上 说 可能是蓬松的头发 In court, "It might have been bushy hair."
那孩子作证说 我那天穿了一件休闲夹克 The kid testified that I had a Levi jacket on...
那件的衣领和我现在穿的是一样的 which is the same type collar, basically the same as this.
他说他穿了已经毛皮大衣 He testified at pretrial that he had a fur-lined parka.
她会告诉你谁杀了那人 She's telling you who killed the man.
车里那个穿着毛皮领衣服的人 One person in the car with the fur-lined collar.
刚巧 司机的头发是很蓬松的 Very convenient that the driver happened to have bushy hair.
她要做的就是看看他们给我拍的照片 All she's got to do is look at a picture they took of me.
但这并不是她原来的证词 But that is not her original statement.
毛皮衣领和蓬松头发之间的差别还是很大的 It's a hell of a big difference from "fur-lined collar" to "bushy hair."
这有些疯狂 It's crazy.
她经历了两周的内部调查 She went through two weeks Internal Affairs...
出来时 证词变了 when she comes out, her testimony changes.
进去的时候她这样说 出来的时候变样了 She goes in saying one thing, she comes out saying another.
一定有事发生了 是什么呢 Something happened. What?
我们刷新了她的记忆 "We refreshed her memory."
星期五下午 天气不错 Friday afternoon, I think it was Good Friday...
我们从法庭回来 we came back in the courtroom that afternoon...
我们有些高兴 因为我们觉得... and we were sort of elated because we thought...
他会没事的 "He's gonna walk."
证据里实际上没什么东西 And there's nothing really in that evidence.
只有大卫 哈里斯 没人相信他 There's just little David Harris, and nobody believes him.
对于他 我们还是很乐观的 And so we were very optimistic about his chances...
这种乐观持续到走进法庭的时候 就消失了 until we walked into the courtroom...
那些的人都站在席前 and here were all these people standing in front of the bench.
只有三个人 Three of them, anyway.
他们在做证人前发誓 They were taking the oath to be sworn as witnesses.
米勒夫人昨天站了起来 Mrs. Miller got on the stand that last afternoon.
她说 就是那个人 我看见他了 And she said, "That's the man, I saw that man!
我看见兰德尔 亚当斯的脸 就在... "I saw Randall Adams' face just right after..."
我看见那把枪从车里伸出来 She said, "I saw the gun sticking out of the car...
就是那人向枪杀了警察 "when he shot that police officer. And that's the man."
她用手指着兰德尔 亚当斯 And she waved her finger right toward Randall Adams.
她的出现让他无法逃脱罪孽 She's the one that got him convicted.
当我还小的时候 我想做个侦探 When I was a kid, I used to want to be a detective...
我在电视上看过所有的侦探节目 because I used to watch all the detective shows on TV.
那个时候 节目里出现最多的就是波士顿 布莱基 When I was a kid they used to show these movies with Boston Blackie...
他身旁总有女人跟着 and he always had a woman with him.
所以 我想 要是做不了侦探 就成为侦探的妻子 I wanted to be a wife of a detective or be a detective...
我看了很多侦探故事 so I always watched detective stories.
我不停地看因为我不知道会发生什么 I'm always looking because I never know what might come up.
不知道我改怎么做 Or how I could help.
我希望能在那样的处境时有所作为 I like to help in situations like that.
我真的做到了 I really do.
事情接踵而来 It's always happening to me, everywhere I go...
很多谋杀案 当然还有别的 lots of times there's killings or anything.
哪都可能发生 甚至发生在我家附近 Even around my house. Wherever.
我不停的观察参与 I'm always looking or getting involved,
寻找凶手与真相 to find out who did it, what's going on.
我到处打听 I listen to people.
尽力分辩谁在撒谎 And I'm always trying to decide who's lying, or who killed who...
在警察之前判断谁是凶手 看看我能否胜过他们 before the police do. See if I can beat them.
耶 Yeah.
我和丈夫都在加油站工作 I was working at a gas station. My husband and I both.
我们不是处得很好 We weren't getting along well at all.
总是吵来吵去 We were arguing back and forth.
我们都不想回家 都宁愿在汽车里吵 We didn't wanna go home, because we'd rather talk it out in the car...
这总比在家对着孩子们吵要好 than go home with the kids and fight.
因为那还要听听他们的感受 Had to listen to them, too.
我们在吵的时候决定去吃些东西 So we were really arguing, and decided to get something to eat.
就在那时 一个警察从饭店出来 About that time, a police came out of a restaurant...
走在马路的右边 on the right hand side of the road...
他过去让车停下 and he went to pull the man over.
她转身了 仔细地看着 She turned around. She was looking hard. She looked.
我不认为她看清楚那人了 但她看到了 I didn't think she seen the guy, but she did.
因为我问她 你在看什么 我察觉有什么不对劲 Because I said, "What you looking at?" I knew something had went wrong.
她说 闭上你地嘴 往前开 She said, "You just shut up and drive."
我对我丈夫说 开慢点 这样我能看清楚 And I kept telling my husband: "Slow down so I can see."
他说 别看了 我们离开这 He said, "Come on, we're getting out of here.
就你好管闲事 你还不知道发生了什么 "You're too nosy. You don't even know what's going on."
我不知道有人被杀了或是中弹了 I had no idea that somebody was gonna get killed or shot.
我继续往前开 So I just drove on.
他是哪种不喜欢惹事的人 He was one of these kind that didn't like getting involved.
他想往前走 让我闭嘴 转过身去不看 He wanted to go on. He told me to shut up and turn around. Don't look.
我转身了 I turned around and looked anyway.
但我们听到了一些声音 像是枪声 So we heard something, like backfire or firecrackers.
我们开过了桥 我想 And so we drove over the bridge, and I got to thinking.
这个时候怎么会有人开枪呢 I said: "Em, there're no firecrackers this time of the year."
我想着 I was thinking to myself:
那不可能是枪声 "That couldn't be somebody shooting."
真的很黑 而且很冷 It was real dark, and it was cold.
很难看清楚车子里有什么 It was hard to see in that car.
可司机的窗子是开的 But his window was down. The driver's window was down.
这样我就可以看得很清楚 This is how I got such a good look.
里面的东西我还是看不清 I really couldn't see anything inside.
窗上映出一个影子 It was kind of... shadows on the window and stuff.
可当他拉下车窗的时候 他的脸就露了出来 But when he rolled down the window, what made his face stand out so.
车子是深蓝色的 The car was dark blue.
他有胡子 He had a beard, mustache...
那种洗碗水一般的棕色头发 kind of dishwater-blond hair.
但是 我说过 他在法庭上的时候 太不一样了 But, like I said, when he was in court, he sure looked a lot different.
我只能分辩这些 All I could just tell by this and this, that it was him.
我知道那有人开枪 I knew that there was some shots over there.
我才不想被卷入此事 But I didn't want to be involved in it...
因为达拉斯西部是刑事案件高发地带 because West Dallas is a high-crime neighborhood.
是最高的之一了 One of the biggest.
他比我要害怕的多 He was more scared of it than I was.
像那样的黑人 But when you have black people like that...
他们不想与世隔绝 they don't like getting involved in nothing.
这很平常 That's just common.
在这 谁都想知道些什么 Like here, nobody wants to see nothing or hear nothing.
他们会呆在别人不注意的地方 And they'll stay completely in the background.
这就是为什么他们在这那么难的原因 That's why they were having such a hard time there...
找一些自告奋勇的人 finding anybody that would come forward.
因为这是完全的黑人领域 Because it was in a totally black neighborhood.
她认为 看见别人做坏事就得举报 She believe in, see somebody done something wrong she should tell it.
她已经把我告发了 'Cause she told on me...
好几次 a couple of times...
因为我在从埃尔帕尔索偷运毒品 that I was hauling drugs out of El Paso.
把警长叫来打开我的车厢 Called the sheriff down there, going to make me open my trunk.
我只好打开 可什么也没有 So I ended up opening it, but there was nothing in it.
天哪 Good grief.
她呀 只要发现你做错了什么 就把你出卖了 She's a ho, but she find out you done something, she turn you in.
米勒夫人在审讯时做证 Mrs. Miller had testified at the trial...
她很早就从加油站离开了 that she had gotten off early from her gas station job...
去接她的丈夫 给他的记录工作帮帮忙 and gone down to pick up her husband to help him with the bookwork.
我们发现她在站里没做任何记录工作 We found out that she was not doing any bookkeeping for that station...
因为两周前 她已经被炒掉了 because she had been fired from her job two weeks earlier...
因为偷钱 盗窃之类的事 for till-tapping, for stealing.
他们找警察谈话的原因是 The reason that they were talking to the police at all...
他们已经在公寓里大打出手三天了 was that there'd been a three-day running knife fight in their apartment.
他们都被登记过 And they were all booked...
因为酒后撒野 for disorderly and drunk behavior in there...
包括用拿刀砍人 还有别的事 including assault with knives, and all kinds of stuff.
当他们在警察局的时候决定主动提供 When they were at the police station, they suddenly decided to volunteer...
他们看到的 all this information about what they had seen...
关于警察被杀一案的信息 about the police officer's killing.
一个妇女打电话给我 A woman called me at my home...
说她知道这个女人 and said that she knew this woman...
这个指证兰德尔 亚当斯的女人 who had testified and identified Randall Adams from a passing vehicle.
这女人的话没一句是真的 This woman had never told the truth in her life.
她告诉我 在庭审期间 她给地区法院打过电话 She also told me that she had tried to call the D.A. During the trial...
她有证据说明那女人是不可信的 and give this evidence that this woman was not believable.
和他们有关的证词都是不可信的 If their case hinged on this testimony, this was not believable testimony.
她们很垃圾 They were scum. They were just...
她们就是垃圾 actually scum.
他是黑人 她是白人 He was a black man and she was a white woman.
他在告诉我警察被枪杀事件后 He came to work the day after.
第二天就回去工作了 He told me about the policeman that had gotten shot the night before.
关于这个 我从没听说过 And I hadn't heard anything about it.
我认为是另一个故事 And I thought it was another one of these stories.
他带着报纸进来 And he brings in these newspapers...
他说他没看见什么 太黑了 and he says he didn't see a thing. He couldn't see nothing, it was dark.
金钱冲昏了他的头脑 Wheels started rolling in his head about money.
他就想出那样的办法 That's when he got the idea.
这么说吧 Let me put it in his words.
为了钱 他会去作伪证 For enough money, he would testify...
说些他们让他说的话 to what they wanted him to say.
他会说的 He would say anything they wanted him to say.
他会看到他们想让他看的 Or he would see anything that they wanted him to see.
这些都是他的原话 Those were his words.
令我震惊的是他真的做了 I was shocked that he did go ahead...
说他看见了枪杀现场 and get up and tell that he saw the actual shooting...
出来指证 and recognized the boy. Identified him.
我打电话给丹尼斯 怀特说 那人在撒谎 That's when I called Dennis White. I told him, "That man's lying."
没有人在晚上还能看得很清楚 Nobody has that good of an eyesight.
从他们所在位置是不可能看见警察中枪的 From where the policeman was shot and from where they were at...
就算用望远镜也不一定能看清楚 I doubt if you could have even seen them with binoculars.
我是个售货员 I'm a salesman.
我记忆力很好 And you develop something like total recall.
地点 事件我都没忘 I don't forget places, things...
还有街道 or streets.
因为我有这种习惯 Because it's a habit, something I just picked up.
我会使劲盯着人看 并记住他 I just stare intensely at people and try to figure them out.
我爱管闲事 就是盯着看 Being nosy, I just stare.
一天晚上 我正从Plush酒吧出来 I was leaving the Plush Pub one night...
开着1977年版的凯狄拉克 driving a 1977 Cadillac...
驶往汉普敦 heading west on Hampton.
我看到有一个警官把两个人拦到路边 I noticed an officer had two individuals pulled over...
他们开的是蓝色的车子 to the curb in a blue...
某款型号在车子 some type of vehicle.
是一辆蓝色的... It was a blue...
可能是蓝色的福特 反正是蓝色的 It was a blue Ford. It was a blue something.
司机留着长长的金发 还有胡子 The driver, I think, had long blond hair and a mustache.
另外一个脸上很干净 And the other one didn't have no hairs on his face.
如果一个白人在晚上穿过那个地区 A person that is white going through that area at night...
他肯定是头蠢猪 怎么也不该出来 he's a sore thumb, he stick out for the first reason.
如果他们看上去不对劲 他们就会拦住你 And if they don't look right, they're gonna stop you.
那个警官向汽车走去 The officer, he walked up to the vehicle.
他的车就在身后 His car was behind...
我忘了它是在后面还是前面 I don't know if it was behind or in front...
可我知道他让车停下 走过去 but I know he had him pulled over, and he was up to the car.
我想他是朝车子走过去的 让我想想 I think he was up to the car. Let me think.
是的 他向车子走去 Yeah, he was up to the car.
他接近车子的时候我正好路过 As we was coming by he had to have been up to the car.
我没有看见子弹 没看见枪火 I didn't see no bullet. I didn't see no gunfire.
因为我已经开过了 Because I went on.
现在有3个人指证了他 We have three people that testified and identified him...
当警察走到车边 positively as being the driver at the time that Wood was walking...
肯定是他开的车 right beside the car.
因此 根据目击者 我们知道他就是司机 So we know that he was the driver from the witnesses...
我们也知道 and we also know...
是司机向警官开的枪 that it was the driver that shot Officer Wood...
这是他的搭档亲眼所见 coming from his partner.
我们不是凭空捏造 We couldn't have made a case...
因为有了群众举报 with the voluntary statement that we got from Adams.
我们要相信目击者 We had to rely on witnesses.
我们也是这么做的 And this is what we did.
我总是很努力 每个法官都知道 I always tried very hard, every judge I know of does...
不能在法庭动感情 to not show emotion on the bench.
原因是 如果你感情用事 The reason, if you do show emotion...
审理就会倾向一边 the jury might take it that you're favoring one side or another.
因此你要试着保持被动 无情 客观 So you try to remain passive, emotionless, objective.
我不得不承认 在亚当斯这个案子里 I do have to admit that in the Adams case...
我真的从没说过 and I've never really said this...
我以前听过道格 穆德最后的辩论 Doug Mulder's final argument was one I'd never heard before.
关于警察的 蓝蓝的细线 About the "thin blue line" of police...
使群众远离乱世 that separated the public from anarchy.
我承认当我听倒这件事的时候 I have to concede that there my eyes kind of welled up...
我流泪了 when I heard that.
这曾让我情绪化 但我没有表现出来 It did get to me emotionally, but I don't think I showed it.
要判死刑的案子 In death penalty cases...
我们得搞清楚一个问题 we have a question, or we did at the time...
那个人是否有严重的精神问题 of whether or not that person is of a dangerous mentality...
有可能犯其他的案子 and might be expected to commit other crimes.
要回答这个问题 To answer that question...
地方法院律师会为被告方派精神病学家 the Dallas District Attorney sends psychiatrists to the defendant's cell...
检查他是否没有懊悔之心 to discover whether he is without remorse...
有没有危险的精神问题 and therefore is a dangerous and psychopathic personality.
当然 从例证来看 Of course, in the instance of a person...
没有犯罪的嫌犯是没有后悔之意的 who did not commit the crime, they're not going to show remorse.
两个精神病学家轮番上阵 There were two psychiatrists that appeared again and again.
Holbrook和格里格森出现时 杀手都会恐惧 Holbrook and Grigson, the "Killer Shrinks."
但对这两人的批评一直不断 There was certain criticism directed against these two people...
因为 只要他们一出现 就意味着 because, in effect, whenever they showed up, the purpose of their visit...
被告的死亡 was to kill the defendant.
四月15号 是缴税日 It was April 15th, tax day.
我想是时候把我的税缴清了 I think I was filling out my taxes at the time.
我怕迟到了 Afraid I might be late.
守卫朝门口走来 A guard walks up to the door...
对我说 外面有人想和你谈话 tells me, "There's someone out here who wants to talk to you."
我问他是谁 他说他也不知道 I ask him who it was. He said he didn't know...
法庭命令我和他谈 我说 好吧 but the court ordered me to talk to him. I said, "All right."
那走过来一个鸵鸟样的高个男子 And here come this real tall, ostrich-looking dude.
他自称是格里格森博士 He introduced himself as Dr. Grigson.
他从衣服袋里拿出一本记事簿 He pulled a pad out of his coat pocket...
上面画着一条直线 that had a line drawn across it.
记事簿的上半部分 On this pad, on the upper half...
他画着6个图 he had six images.
分别是盒子 方块 圆圈等 里面画了颗钻石 I will say a box, a square, a circle with a diamond in it.
我有点忘了...这有一段时间了 I don't... It's been awhile.
他把那张纸滑给我 又给我一支铅笔 He slides this piece of paper across to me and he hands me a pencil.
他说 我去喝杯咖啡 He says, "I'm going to get a cup of coffee.
模仿纸上的图案再画一份 "Please copy what's on this piece of paper."
我看着这个人 I'm looking at this man.
我说 什么 要让我模仿你画的东西 I said, "What? You want it copied just the same way you did?
你还是要让我改啊 想让我干什么 "Or you want me to change them around? What do you want me to do?"
做你想做的就行 He said, "Just do whatever you think you want to do."
说完他就走了 And he left.
于是呢 在纸的后半部分 So on the bottom half of this piece of paper...
我画了盒子 X 零 I made my boxes and X's...
里面都画上钻石 就像他的一样 and zeros with diamonds in it. Exactly like his.
他问我 He asked me...
请问 滚石不生苔是什么意思 "What's the meaning of 'A rolling stone gathers no moss?"'
我看着这个人 I'm looking at this man.
我说 你开什么玩笑 想干什么 I said, "Are you kidding? Is this a joke? What are you doing?"
他说 不是玩笑 我真的听听你的回答 He said, "No, I really want to know your answer to that question."
我说 嗯 滚石不生苔 I said, well, "A rolling stone gathers no moss."
我想... I said, "To me...
表示一个人很躁动 "it would represent that a person that doesn't stand still long enough...
不能给别人依靠 "it's kind of hard for people to cling to him.
如果他不停 就很难接近他 "If he keeps moving around, it's hard to get close to him."
他摇了摇头 He shook his head.
他说 二鸟在林 不如一鸟在手 又表示什么 He said, "What about 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"'?
我说 如果你拥有什么 何不放弃他 I said, "If you have a hold of something, why give it up...
这样有机会拿别的不是更好 "for a chance of getting something that might be a little better?
这没有意义啊 你已经有了好东西了 "It doesn't make sense. You've got something good,
为什么丢弃它呢 why let go of it?
如果你能得到另外一个 那就去拿吧... "If you can get the other one, get it if you can...
只要你拿别的东西的时候不丢弃手中的东西 "but don't let go of what you got to try to get something else."
他又问了我的家庭 He asked about my family.
问了问我的背景 He asked about my background.
然后他就走了 And he left.
我们大概谈了15或者20分钟 Total time we had talked, maybe 15, 20 minutes.
格里格森博士在测试如果罪犯被释放的话 Dr. Grigson was up there testifying he would commit violent crimes...
是否还会犯罪 in the future if he was released.
格里格森被称为死亡博士 因为他就是那么测试的 Grigson is known as "Dr. Death" because he always testifies that way.
99%的案件 In about 99% of the trials...
他总做证人 因为他有测试报告表明 that he's been a witness for the prosecution, he always testifies...
他们在未来的生活中还会不会犯罪 that they will commit violent crimes in the future.
你无法知道一个人在未来几年会做什么 You can't tell what somebody's gonna do years from now.
其实也并不是这样的 Not really.
只要分析你过去的不良记录 Except based on your past record, which anybody can do.
兰德尔是没有任何不良记录的 Randall never had any prior record.
据我们所知 他从没有任何暴力的历史 And as far as we know, he never had any history of violence whatever.
格里格森已测试了 Grigson testified for...
两个小时 用了他所有的办法 two and a half hours about all these degrees he's got.
他一会来这 一会又去那 研究不停 He's been here, and he's been there, and he's studied here.
他叫我查尔斯 曼森 He called me Charlie Manson.
他叫我阿道夫 希特勒 He called me Adolf Hitler.
他说我的性格就是这样的 He said I'm the type of personality...
可以不停地工作 that can work all day and creep all night.
他测试了 格里格森...格里格森 He testified, Grigson...
他测试我未来的 that the future seriousness...
精神状况 of my mental state...
是否到了可以释放我的程度 would be such that if they released me...
我疯了可能就会杀了达拉斯一半的人 I would go crazy and probably butcher half of Dallas County.
尽管他和我谈了15分钟 Even though he talked to me 15 minutes...
我没有前科 I have no prior convictions, no prior arrests...
28年了 我都没动过手 I was nonviolent for 28 years.
一个例子 On one instance...
也没有 and that's saying if I did this, which I didn't...
他说 这就够了 下半辈子他都会盯着我 he's stating that, that's enough... For the rest of my life, watch me.
别背着我做什么 我和他谈了15分钟 Don't ever turn your back on me. And he talked to me 15 minutes.
他疯了 He's crazy.
你知道 一个人为了生计 You can understand why a man might steal if he needs money...
可能去偷窃 to put food on the table.
我明白为什么17岁的男孩子如果没车开 I can understand why a 17-year-old boy who doesn't have a car...
会去偷一辆 would steal one to ride around in.
我也明白为什么吸毒上瘾的还想要毒品 I can understand why the heroin addict needs heroin.
但是一个人在无缘无故的情况下去杀警察 But it's very hard to understand why anybody has to kill a police officer.
令人费解 It just doesn't have to be.
我睡觉时 闭上眼就想 When I'm asleep and I close my eyes and think...
他怎么会做呢 "Why would he do it?
他没有犯重罪 "He had no background that would lead to murder...
没有理由去杀人啊 "no reason to commit a murder."
案子的事实是 And I look at the facts of the case and say...
大卫 哈里斯知道车子是偷来的 枪也放在那 David Harris knew the car was stolen, knew the guns were there...
而且枪也是偷来的 knew the guns were stolen...
以犯罪为乐 was on a crime spree...
他有偷车和偷枪的记录 had had a criminal record prior to stealing this car and these guns.
他才有犯罪的动机 He was the one that wanted to commit the murder...
并逃离现场 and get away from the scene.
他才是那个在犯罪之后 He was the one that, after the murder was committed...
直接回家 又向朋友吹嘘的人 went right back home and bragged about it to his friends.
我看完所有证据 I looked at all the evidence...
发现大卫 哈里斯才是真正凶手 and I found that I believed that David Harris committed murder.
而陪审团看了同样的证据 The jury looked at the same evidence...
却认定兰德尔 亚当斯是凶手 and found they believed that Randall Adams committed murder.
而他们的判决才有效 And it was their verdict that counted.
地方法院检查官 You have a D. A...
他不谈论 he doesn't talk about...
什么时候 怎么判你 when they convict you or how they convict you...
他只说过要怎么把你干掉 he's talking about how he's going to kill you.
他才不管你是不是无辜的 He don't give a damn if you're innocent.
他不管你是不是有罪 只是想杀你 He don't give a damn if you're guilty. He's talking about killing you.
你麻木了 You get numb. You get...
这就像个恶梦 你想醒来 可你做不到 It's like a bad dream. You want to wake up, but you can't do it.
每天我要听15至20遍 Fifteen times, 20 times a day, I hear this same story...
关于人是怎么电击致死的 about what happens when a man is electrocuted.
他的眼球突起 His eyeballs pop out.
手指甲突起 His fingernails pop out.
脚趾甲也一样 His toenails pop out.
七窍流血 He bleeds out of every orifice he's got.
他们不在乎 They don't care...
不在乎 They don't care.
他们在乎的就是怎么杀你 All they want to do is talk about how they're going to kill you.
他们关心的 谈论的只有这个 That's the only thing that they cared about and talked about.
他们只在乎这个 At that point, that's all they're wanting.
我不知道他后来怎么样了 I didn't have any idea what happened to him.
做完测试 我就走了 After I testified, I was gone.
我其实不太关心此事 I never really concerned myself with it.
我也不想知道 不想 Maybe I didn't want to know. I don't know.
我对结果没有什么兴趣 I didn't have any interest in knowing...
要不我就自己寻找答案了 otherwise I might have tried to find out.
丹尼斯 将案子重新归档 Dennis filed the motion for a new trial...
我们就得做出新的补充行动 then we filed an amended motion for a new trial.
20天之后 我们就会听证 About 20 days later, we were to have a hearing on it.
罗伯特 米勒和他的妻子都在那作证 Both Robert Miller and his wife testified there.
可我们查不出事实 就是说 But we could not bring out the fact...
他们可以拿那笔奖金了 that they had said that they were gonna get that reward money...
他们可不管有没有看见 and that they didn't care whether they saw anything or not...
可当时他们的汽车玻璃应该会被雾气遮挡 but their car was too steamed up.
我们不能再把他们找回来 We were not allowed to get any of that in...
他们的证词令人怀疑 because it was held that it was impeaching testimony...
可这都太晚了 and therefore it came too late.
我们在做无用功 We kept running into blank walls.
一个达拉斯早间新闻的记者 A reporter from the Dallas Morning News...
发现在审判结束后一周 discovered that one week after the trial was over with...
那个女人的女儿也因为抢劫罪上了法庭 the daughter of this woman had a robbery case in this court.
她提供了她的证词 She offered her testimony...
就在她女儿有进监狱度日的危险时 at a time when her daughter was in danger of going to jail for life...
把她女儿救出监狱 and got her daughter out of jail.
你们怎么能相信她 How can you believe her...
难道同一个法官就在下一周驳回了案子 when the very next week the same judge dismisses that case?
米勒夫妇是什么事都敢做的 The Millers are the kind of people that would do anything...
只要有利可图 if there was something to be gained...
比如能阻止她女儿入狱 such as her daughter not being sent to the penitentiary for armed robbery...
或者单纯为了钱 or for money.
当我被送到法庭的时候 发现公诉人很顽固 When we went to court that day, the District Attorney was hard-nosed.
不让我回答任何问题 Wouldn't let me answer any questions.
他问我问题之后 很快就打断我的回答 He'd ask me questions, but then he'd cut me off real short.
然后就说我多管闲事 And that's when he said something about my big fat nose.
如果我不管他们的事 If I'd kept my big fat nose out of their business...
米勒夫妇就发财了 the Millers would be better off.
当我正要离开法庭 When I started to leave out of the courtroom...
他开始笑 好像在说 he started laughing, like:
来这你没用 "Didn't do you any good to get up here."
帮不了他 一点也帮不上 It really didn't. Didn't help the guy at all.
为了我有个回忆 To the best of my recollection...
我和亚当斯先生简单谈了谈 the brief conversations I have had with Mr. Adams...
他们也和他谈过 and they have been brief...
我没有问他 事实告诉我 I don't even recall ever asking him, or my having told me...
他没有做 that he did not do it.
因为我想再次上诉 Because, for my purposes, representing him on appeal...
这完全没有关系 it's totally irrelevant.
当德州法院的刑事上诉 When the Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas...
以9－0的票数击败我们的时候 我有些沮丧 voted 9-0 against us, I was a little upset about that.
我觉得 一 我们应该获得胜利 I felt we, A: Should have won...
二 不会输得这么惨 B: Certainly shouldn't have been slapped so hard...
我们的得票为零 with the unanimous decision against us.
我和我的家人在一个冰淇淋店 I was with my family in an ice-cream parlor...
与法官一家不期而遇 and the judge and his family happened to come at the same time.
他走过来 说 And he came over to me and made the comment...
我觉得这个诉讼我判的很好 "I see where the Court of Criminal Appeals gave me an 'A'...
在亚当斯案件中 "in the Adams case."
我们的州最高法院 Our highest state appellate court...
在奥斯丁的刑事诉讼法庭 确认了9－0的事实 the Court of Criminal Appeals in Austin affirmed the case, 9-0.
而在美国最高法院却反了过来 8-1... Then it was reversed by the United States Supreme Court, 8-1...
当法庭翻了案 When the Appellate Court reverses a case...
他们从来不会评论法官的对错 they are never saying the trial judge was right or wrong.
他们会说他们不同意法官的看法 They are saying they disagree with the judge.
比如在亚当斯的案子里 你不能说 You can't, for instance, in the Adams appeals...
诉讼法庭在说我的对或错 say the appellate courts were saying I was right or I was wrong.
毕竟在奥斯丁 After all, if in Austin...
在我们的州法庭 我是9－0赢了 in our state appeals court, I was 9-0 correct...
而在华盛顿 我以1－8输了 and in Washington, I was 1-8 incorrect.
但你看看票数总和 是10－8 If you tally all those votes, I come out 10-8.
然而这个案子翻了案 Yet the case was reversed.
最高法院有八个法官认为我是对的 Eight justices of the Supreme Court were the first people to agree with me.
同意那个判罚的唯一8个人 They're the only people anywhere that ever agreed about that statute...
正是最高法院的8个人 were eight justices of the Supreme Court.
达拉斯晨报头版报道了此事 The Dallas Morning News had a very nice front-page story...
在当天 either the same day...
或者是在最高法院宣布翻案的后一天 or the day after the reversal was announced by the Supreme Court...
那的检察官Henry Wade in which Henry Wade, the District Attorney...
为兰德尔 亚当斯的复审发誓 vowed a retrial of Randall Dale Adams...
因为他无法容忍杀害警察的罪犯 because there was no room in his book for a cop-killer...
逃脱死刑的惩罚 getting off with anything less than the death penalty.
我铭刻在心 我想会有机会的 I took that to heart. I thought I was going to get my chance.
原因是社会从来没有那样... For reasons that were never really made public...
Wade先生请求掌权者 Mr. Wade requested the governor to commute...
改判 Mr. Adams' death penalty to life...
这样就消除了复审的可能 and that eliminated the possibility of a retrial...
逆转了 based on the reversal.
我大吃一惊 I was absolutely shocked.
我真不敢相信 I can't help but believe...
这个决定背后的动机 that some of the motivation behind that decision...
是害怕 was a fear that...
亚当斯在复审的时候被平反 Adams may be vindicated at a retrial.
我只是感觉到他们起诉的对象是错的 却不知道为什么 I just felt they prosecuted the wrong person. I don't know why.
我感觉到在达拉斯维多的警察 I felt that some policeman, whether in Vidor or in Dallas...
是否错误地做了起诉地决定 made a decision to prosecute and set the wheels of justice in motion...
他们动作太快 没人能够阻止 in the wrong direction and they got going so fast no one could stop them.
由此 我感到得我出来阻止他们 可我没有 So I felt it was up to me to stop them and I didn't.
我觉得最高法院有必要做他们该做得 可 I felt it was up to the Supreme Court and they did what they could, but...
一切都乱了套 出了轨 it's all gotten messed up and derailed again.
因为这个审判 我放弃了刑法的实习 Since his trial, I have given up my practice of criminal law.
我没有陪审经验 I have not had a jury trial...
当我知道到这个案子的判决后 since I heard the verdict of this jury in this case...
我再没什么心思 and don't intend to.
感觉就像 I just feel like...
让给别人来解决这些问题 I'll let other people handle these problems for a while.
因为如果正义是如此地难以伸张 Because if justice can miscarry so badly...
我宁可做些别的 I'd rather do something else.
达拉斯的检查官常说 Prosecutors in Dallas have said for years...
任何检查官都可以对犯罪嫌疑人作出判决 "Any prosecutor can convict a guilty man.
能判决一个无辜的人也不容易啊 "It takes a great prosecutor to convict an innocent man."
直到今天 我觉得 To this day, I think Mr. Mulder...
穆德先生会认为对亚当斯判决是他的伟大胜利 believes that the Adams conviction was one of his great victories...
可能是因为亚当斯案子能给他的获胜记录添上一笔 probably because of some reservations he has about Adams' guilt.
一个早晨我接到维多一位女士的电话 I got a call one morning, a lady here in Vidor...
她被人用擀面杖打中头部 had been hit over the head with a rolling pin...
袭击者以为她已经被击昏了 and the attacker thought she'd been knocked unconscious...
事实上她却没有 when, in reality, she wasn't.
她认出那个袭击者正是大卫 哈里斯 And she recognized the attacker to be David Harris.
他自己来了警察局 He voluntarily came to the police station.
我告诉他 大卫 那女孩知道你是谁 I told him, "David, this girl knows who you are.
其实我还知道真相 "I don't even have to tell you I know the truth.
你知道这次我查出了事实 "You know I know the truth this time."
他说 我做错了 我吸食大麻 酗酒 He said, "I was wrong. I smoked marijuana, I was drinking.
我知道我一时冲动 "I don't know what got over me but something just came over me."
但有一点他没提 他只穿着内裤 But he forgot to mention one thing, that he was only wearing underwear.
我觉得他的攻击是出于性目的 I felt as though the attack was sexually oriented.
他从来就不想承认 He never wanted to admit that...
他最后也没有真的承认 and, as I recall, he never really finally admitted it.
他只是没有否认 He'd just get to where he wouldn't deny it.
他转让了债券 去了德国 He posted his bond and went to Germany.
我们有个案子和他的作案手法相似 We had a crime with basically the same M.O. As his...
因为这个 我就去查查他在不在这 and so it led me to want to check and see if he was in town.
我联系了军队的国际定位人员 I contacted the Worldwide Military Locator...
试试我能不能通过军队找到他 to see if, through the military, I could locate him.
果然 他那时已经入狱了 I did, and found out that he was in prison at the time.
他也不记得为什么入狱 He really didn't remember what happened.
他说他醒来时就在栅栏旁了 He said he woke up in the stockade...
别人告诉他说 他把他的长官打了 and he'd been told that he beat up one of his ranking officers.
我们又有一个案子和他的作案手法雷同 We had another occasion to have a crime that fit his M.O. A lot...
我又开始寻找他 这次 so I started looking for him again, and this time...
我是在加州的监狱里找到他的 I found him in prison in California.
我发现他还是没有改邪规正 So I realized again that unfortunately, he hadn't straightened up.
他还是有很多问题 He was still having a lot of problems.
我只有16岁 I was 16 years old.
我和法律系统也没发生真正的交易 I really didn't have no real dealings with the court systems, etc.
不知道它是怎么运作的 Didn't know how they worked, really.
不怎么懂法 Didn't know much about the law.
只不过一个年轻的笨小孩 Just a young, dumb kid.
警察告诉了你事件发生的时间 Police give you the time of this and the time this happened...
你和这些事件脱不了干系 and you just correlate from those events.
其他的事你都是通过这个时间推算的 You just estimate from that event what time it was.
你不知道 You don't know.
你猜了个大概 You're taking a guess.
警察告诉你 这个案子是在12:30发生的 Police tell you, "It was 12:30 when this crime happened.
你走出电影院几点 "What time did you leave the movie?"
我知道是快到凌晨了 "I know it was somewhere around midnight.
可能要早一点 我不知道 "It might have been before then. I don't know.
我没有带手表 "I didn't have a watch on."
他很详细的和我阅读了一遍证词 He went over my testimony with me pretty extensively.
我该怎么回答这些问题呢 How I should answer certain questions...
这些事实 things of this nature.
这就是你所谓的 教唆证人 That's what you call "coaching the witness."
我们把这些证据排排续 看怎么样最合理 Let's get this evidence in a spectrum where it's going to be most effective.
那时 我没考虑那么多 At the time, I didn't really ponder on it...
但是他欺骗了陪审团 欺骗了正义 but he was deceiving the jury. He wanted to deceive justice.
这就是我为何认为自由女神的正义是分等级的 That's why I think that statue with the scales...
正义 怎么说 我不知道她是怎么说的 Justice? What is she called? I don't know what she's called.
她只有闭上眼睛 She's got that blindfold on.
我们不知道门背后发生的事 We don't see what goes on behind the closed doors.
车上还有另外一个女人 I had another woman in the car.
我没有告诉他们 我老婆会杀了我的 I didn't tell them about that. My wife'd kill me.
如果知道我和别的女人约会 她会拧掉我的脑袋 She would've tore my head off if she knew I was out with another woman.
如果是你 会说么 Would you tell?
该发生的发生了 我就设法送她回家 That's what happened. I was trying to get her home.
驾驶员侧的玻璃开着是因为 The driver's side was down because...
旁边的女士有些恶心 她要些新鲜空气 the lady was a little sick. She needed some air.
因为她醉了 Because she was pretty drunk.
看看 那米勒夫妇 一白一黑 See, the Millers, one is black and one is white.
他们说我去...那晚我去的原因是... They said I was going with... The reason I was over that night...
我去那是搞那人的老婆 I was over there messing with this man's wife.
我才不想和她待一辈子 她又老又丑 And I ain't never gone with her in my life. She was too old and ugly.
就像我说的 地方法院会让他们闭嘴 Like I said, the D.A. Will put something into their mouth.
他们会预先捏造整个过程 They could have prefabricated the whole story.
他们会这么做的 They sure could have.
可我看见的确实只有这些 But what I saw is just what I saw. That was it.
如果他们收了钱 是因为他们的谎言 So if they got paid, they got paid for lying.
他们已经决定在法庭怎么对付你了 They already decided what to do with you in the hall.
这就是他们所谓的法庭的正义 正义的天平不平衡了 That's why they call it the Hall of Justice, the scales are not balanced.
天平在法庭上 他们可以上下浮动 The scales are in the hall, and they go up and down.
他们可以帮你 也可以整你 They might go up for you, favor one way, they might go down against you.
如果地方法院把你的事拖个15 20年的 So if the D.A. Wants you to hang 15 or 20 years,
就得这么拖着 you're hung.
在奥林奇城我还有场官司 I had all these charges still pending in Orange County.
我本可以被看成是成人的 I could have been certified as an adult...
可能被判个无期徒刑 我不知道 maybe given a life sentence. I don't know.
我16岁了 我才不想那样 I'm 16 years old. I know I don't want that.
地方法院告诉我 别担心费用 That District Attorney told me, "Don't worry about them charges."
我会问你的 辩护律师会问你的 "I'm gonna ask your... Defense Attorney is gonna ask you...
如果你有什么交易 "if you had any kind of deal...
或者类似的东西 "or anything of that nature...
来交换你在这个案子的证词 "in exchange for your testimony in this case...
可以看成那笔费用 "as relating to those charges.
不要回答 是的 要说 不 "Don't answer that 'Yes.' Answer it 'No."'
我丈夫 没有把他看清楚 My husband, he didn't get that good a look at him.
他不确信 因为他们一伙长得太像了 He wasn't sure, because they put a bunch of them that looked alike.
他们一伙里有三四个人的头发都很蓬松 They had about three or four in the lineup that had bushy hair...
可他的是梳整齐的 和谋杀案的那个不一样 but he had his combed down, different to what it was in the killing.
我当时没有认出来 I didn't pick him out right then...
因为我已经找出了这个蓬头的人 because I picked out this bushy-haired man.
我知道还有别的证人也从这伙人里找出了他 I understand one other witness did pick out the man at the lineup.
我不确定 但我想他做了 I'm not sure, but I think he did.
我就那样把兰德尔 亚当斯指了出来 Of course I picked out Randall Adams just like that.
我不知道其他人 I don't know about the others.
巧合的是他们也这么做了 Evidently they did at that time.
我就跑了 I just took off.
就像孩子一样跑开 It's like, kids run away...
他们不知道他们要住哪 they don't think about where they're going to stay...
不知道该吃什么 等等 how they're going to eat, all these things.
这辈子他们都逃不开头上的屋顶 They had that roof over their head all their lives.
他们真的不考虑这些东西 They don't really think about those things...
直到离开那 说 我肚子叫了 till you get out there and you say, "My stomach's growling now."
或者 外面变得更冷 下着雨 Or, "It's getting cold out here. It's raining."
路面上结了冰 There was ice on the road.
我记得在我后面有一辆车开的相当快 I remember there was a car coming pretty fast up the road behind me...
他没有看见我 and didn't see me or something...
或者换了条车道 我就在那车道上 or was in one lane and came into the other lane and I was in that lane...
他想让我停下来 他的车子冲离了马路 and tried to stop me. He went off the side of the road.
我记得他的车子冲离了马路 I remember this car went off the side of the road.
我正在回头看 I'm just looking back.
我记得的 I remember that.
凌晨3:30 我在家接到一个电话 I got a call at my house about 3:30 one morning.
我部门的巡逻员打电话过来说 One of the patrolmen in my department called...
我们逮捕了那个大卫 哈里斯 and said, "We just arrested this boy named David Harris...
他甚至不想告诉我们他的名字 他说他想和你谈谈 "and he won't even tell us his name. He said he wants to talk to you."
他们说了些我很感兴趣的话 他中枪了 They told me something that really made me interested. He'd been shot.
大卫先告诉我说 他去了休斯顿的酒吧 David had initially told me that he had gone to a bar in Houston...
调戏一个年轻妇女 他的男朋友就怒了 and was flirting with a young lady and her boyfriend became upset...
拿着手枪追着我跑 并向我开枪 and chased him out with a pistol, shooting at him.
我们知道这不是真的 We knew that wasn't true.
我说 大卫 我知道你在唬我 I said, "David, I know you're lying to me.
我们都经历了过去我们之间发生的事 "We go through this all the time, all my dealings with you in the past.
我不知道你刚刚做了什么 "I don't know what you've done just yet.
我知道你中枪了 "I know you were shot.
我也知道你中枪的原因是做了不该做的事 "I know you were shot doing something that you shouldn't have been...
我们知道你盗窃了枪械商店 还知道你酒后驾车 "we know you burglarized a gun shop. We know you were driving drunk.
找些能辨识你和你车的人吧 "Got witnesses who can identify you, who can identify your truck."
我说 你被捕了 说实话吧 I said, "You're caught. So tell the truth."
好吧 大卫说 是我杀了他 And David said, "Okay, I killed him."
家里只有他和他的男朋友 Their home was entered while he and his girlfriend were there alone.
那人被枪顶着脑袋逼到了浴室 The man was sent into the bathroom at gunpoint and told to stay there.
大卫带着女孩往外走 David took the girl and was starting to leave.
之后 那男的带着枪就从公寓追了出来 The man exited the apartment with a gun.
那人倒在了地上 The man fell to the ground, or near the ground...
抓住了供应停车场的一根柱子 holding onto a pole there in the parking lot of the apartment complex...
中了两三枪 可能更多 and these last, whether it be two, three, or how many shots...
我不知道 我近距离崩了几枪 I don't know, were fired at point-blank or near point-blank range.
大卫觉得那人真地做错了 David thought that the one that was really at fault that night...
就杀了他 他说 那人疯了 was the guy that got killed. He said, "That guy's crazy.
他拿着枪追着我跑 "He came after me with a gun."
我告诉他 是你闯进他家的 I told him, "David, you'd broken into his house...
你绑架了他的女朋友 他能怎么做 "you abducted his girlfriend, what was he supposed to do?"
他说 他不该拿着枪追出来 He said, "Man shouldn't come out with a gun.
那伙计疯了 他该死 "That dude's crazy. He should have been killed."
当我们去找回手枪时 When we went to retrieve the pistol...
我得从水里把它捞出来 I had to go into the water to get it.
那是个河口 杂草丛生 像一个蛇行地带 It was a bayou and it was grassy, snaky-looking area.
我在那待着很不舒服 I was not real pleased about being there myself...
可 大卫见我下去寻枪显得很开心 but David enjoyed watching me have to go down there and look for the gun.
我找了好几次 他在桥上 I'd been searching several minutes, he was up on the bridge...
离我大概25尺 and probably 25 feet from me...
指给我看他丢枪得地方 directing me to where he thought that the gun had landed in the water.
他被用手铐铐着 He was handcuffed.
汽车过来了 他转过身 Traffic would come by, and he would turn around...
他亮出手铐 帮帮我 and show them his handcuffs and holler at them, "Help me!
警察们要把我丢到水里淹死我 "The officials will throw me in this water and drown me."
他能做的就是开开玩笑 过会就停了 Just anything he could do to make a joke and cut up out there.
他真得是很开心 He was just really having a good time.
想想如果真地把他放到马路上 The kid scares me.
达拉斯城也允许这样的话 To think that he could actually be out there, walking the streets...
那真是恐怖 and Dallas County let him go.
那孩子已经做了7次案 The kid had seven crimes coming down on him.
持枪抢劫 向警察开枪 He had armed robberies. He had firing on a peace officer.
他私闯民宅 进行攻击 He had breaking and enterings, aggravated assaults.
上帝才知道他还干了什么 God knows what all this kid had.
达拉斯让他完全自由地说证词 And Dallas County gives him complete immunity for his testimony.
让他自己说 Just lets him walk.
记得我妈说地好 My mom had a good phrase.
她说她进达拉斯的第一个晚上 正下着雨 She said the first night she pulled into Dallas, it was raining...
时不时电闪雷鸣 and that it was lightning.
他们走进达拉斯 And they're coming into Dallas...
她说世界上有地狱的话 就是达拉斯了 and she said if there was ever a hell on earth, it's Dallas County.
她没错 She's right.
你或多或少的得和品行不端得人打交道 You deal with people who you sense bad vibrations, more or less.
你觉得 因为我是个警察 这个人才不喜欢我 You feel, this guy doesn't like me anyway because I'm a policeman.
你能感觉到这些 或许我不该说这些的 You can just kind of sense something. Maybe I shouldn't even be saying it...
因为警察不该说这些的 because police shouldn't take these things to the bank.
当你不断的和别人打交道 你会有很多感触 When you deal with people over and over, you sense a lot of things.
和大卫说话 你就能体会到他身上的杀气 Talking to David, you don't ever feel hostile feelings coming from him.
我之前没见过大卫 I have never seen David any way...
除了有些兴奋 他对我很礼貌 other than cordial, friendly to me as he could be:
是的 先生 不 先生 没有不尊敬啊 "Yes, sir." "No, sir." Never disrespectful.
我从没看到他坏的一面 我看了这些结果... I've never seen the bad side. I've seen the results...
我和他谈过这个 他也注意到了 and I've talked to him about it, and he's aware of it.
他想起坏的一面 He remembers the bad side.
我没见过他犯过罪 But I've never seen him committing a crime...
没有暴力的状态 or in a violent or volatile state.
当他招供他的罪行时 When his crimes were confessed to...
他看上去好多了 而且那几次表现的更好了 he seemed to feel better and do better during those times.
他的父母告诉我 他在家很乖 His parents would tell me he would to do better at home...
他似乎和城里的人 he seemed to get along better with the people in town...
他的邻居和朋友都处得不错 his neighbors and friends.
但当大卫出事的时候 But something happens to David...
我却想不通 我不知道谁会拿手指着他 I don't know what it is. I don't know if anybody can put their finger on it.
但是家里也没有其他迹象 But there's no other indication of anything in the family...
能让他做出这种事 that would lead you to believe he had exposure to these activities.
据我所知 大卫至少有一个兄弟 一个姐妹 David's got at least one other brother and sister that I know of.
他有一个兄弟几年前淹死了 And he had one brother that drowned numerous years ago.
那时我3岁 I was 3 years old...
我有一个4岁的哥哥 I had a 4-year-old brother...
在1963年淹死了 and he drowned in 1963...
我确信 就是在肯尼迪总统被刺杀之后 right after President Kennedy was assassinated, I believe.
的夏天 Sometime right after that, during the summer.
我们住在博蒙特 哈里森大街上 We was living in Beaumont on Harrison Street...
我爸爸开着卡车在院子里干活 and my dad was working on his truck out in the yard...
妈妈在做家务 and mom was in the house doing her housework or fixing dinner.
我和我的哥有一个小水池 Me and my brother, we had one of these little blow-up pools...
我们常在那玩耍 and we were playing in that.
爸爸本该盯着我们玩的 My dad was supposed to be watching or keeping an eye on us or something.
哥哥就去街上瞎逛 My brother wandered off down the street...
那些人的后院有个游泳池 and these people had a swimming pool in their backyard...
他们都比我大 却从不进池子 and they were elderly people. They never used the pool.
我想是因为那里面有好多树叶和垃圾 I guess it had a bunch of leaves and stuff in it.
他 一不小心 就掉进去淹死了 And he, evidently, fell in there and drowned.
晚上 我习惯坐在我的房间里和他说说话 可他不在了 I used to sit up in my room at night and talk to him and he wasn't there.
这是我难以愈合的创伤 So that might have been some kind of a traumatic experience for me.
我想我的爸爸... I guess my dad...
我不知道 他应该有不可推卸的责任 I don't know, maybe he couldn't get rid of the responsibility...
或者是有罪的 但我不知道 or the guilt or something. I don't know what it was.
我想我该不断地提醒他 I was there and I guess maybe I reminded him of that...
慢慢长大了 all the time, growing up.
我越来越无法接受他 It was hard for me to get any acceptance from him.
当我哥哥出生的时候 When my younger brother was born...
他就是爸爸的最爱 我不知道 it was kind of like he was Daddy's favorite or something, I don't know.
每个人会选择走不同的路 Everybody's life is going to take some kind of path
不管发生什么 regardless of what happens.
我想我年轻时候干的事 I think maybe that a lot of the things I did when I was younger...
是一种对他的报复 was an attempt to get back at him or something...
报复他对待我的方式 for the way he treated me.
而我什么也没成 却伤了自己 But I wasn't doing nothing but hurting myself.
1986年12月5日 大卫·哈里斯
接受了最后一次采访
相当不幸的人
依您之见亚当斯是不是一个
绝对是
如果不是走霉运
他也不至于一无所有
您说的走霉运是指
指的是好些事
得看你如何看待它
就像前不久我跟您说起过的
那个流离失所的家伙...
如果他有落脚的地方 就绝对不会
无家可归 是吧
那家汽车旅馆过夜的话
您的意思是 如果那晚您也在
这一切就绝对不会发生
很有可能 很有可能
听说过那个众所周知的替罪羊吗
可能...有千把个无辜的人被治罪
可能还不止几千
怎么会这样
天知
他是清白的吗
您问过他吗
好吧 他总是说他一向清白
又来了
不相信他 是吗
罪犯总是爱撒谎的
好吧 您怎么看他是否无辜
我肯定他是无辜的
您何以这么肯定
因为我知情
警方把事情怪到他身上时 您感到意外吗
他们并没有怪罪他
我有
一个被吓坏的十六岁小孩
他当然想尽可能地置身事外
您认为他们相信你吗
毫无疑问
肯定的
他们一无所获 直到我给了他们一些情报...
我猜他们是有收获的 他们为此疲于奔命
他们相信你的话 您感到意外吗
可能有点儿 我也不清楚
我当时正希望他们会相信我
我是觉得有点不可思议
在费了这么多口水和力气之后
但也就这样了
能为兰德尔·亚当斯的牢狱之灾
我一直在想...如果
找一个原因的话
他没有地方可以收留
在那天晚上能够帮助他的人...
这大概是由于
这直接导致他身陷囹圄
这可能是一个原因
这可能是让他身陷囹圄 唯一的 所有的原因
达拉斯警官罗伯特·伍德被害已十一载有余
大卫·哈里斯因1985年的马克沃尔特梅斯谋杀案被判死刑
兰德尔·亚当斯被判终身监禁
目前囚于德克萨斯州 亨特韦尔市的艾力斯监狱
目前正在德克萨斯州 拉弗雷市的伊斯特汉监狱服刑